For people interested in fair-minded online debates, there's a good one I just saw that deals in all the in's and out's of whether or not Obama is a Muslim, giving as objective a view of both sides of the issue as we deserve.
America would definitely be better off if we replaced the current environment of post-modernist subjectivism we've seen in recent years with this sort of facts-only approach.
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Obama bends whichever way the wind is blowing, though he will not break from his radical anti-American roots. From his early days, his mother and then the Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis…Obama’s early mentor in Hawaii. His father and step-father were both Muslims, so he also had early contact with Islamism.
Next…Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan, both are advocates of the racist and anti-American Black Liberation movement.
Then…the anti-American terrorists Billy Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, both were/are basically Communists…admittedly so or not.
So, in regards to the question – “whether or not Obama is a Muslim”, the answer is no. Does he lean towards Islam? Of course he does, e.g. just look at a list of his friends and advisors.
Point is, it doesn’t matter if he is a Muslim or not, when it is clear that he is anti-American and a supporter of most anti-America causes…again, just look at the lists of his friends, close supporters, family, and advisors.
karmicommunist, you're an idiot
armadillo joe, it looks like you are unable to actually respond to the facts that I presented. I understand...
sources, karmicommunist, & citations, until provided, make your assertions merely, well, assertions.
I have nothing to which I even can respond
Guilt by association & red-baiting are the hobgoblins of tiny minds (& maybe penises, as well).
Begone, KarmiCommie, before someone drops a house on you, too... You've no power here...
Come back when you have something that Obama himself said or did that supports your islamocommie, AntiAm thesis...
"Auntie Em! Anti-Am! Where are you?"
Communists?! Jesus christ Karmi, please spread the word on this as loudly as you can. The people must know who they're dealing with. To think, some folks actually used to treat you guys seriously. Don't think they'll be making that excuse any time soon.
Communists. I guess it's kind of hard to jump the shark when the shark's already jumped you years ago. Any chance you could throw a cannibal smear into the mix too, Karmi? Please??
No one is able to dispute the facts that humble me presented? BTW, repsac3, Obama’s lists of friends, close supporters, family, and advisors goes way beyond Guilt by association…as in its his Modus Operandi – “a distinct pattern or method of operation that indicates or suggests the work of a single criminal in more than one crime”.
Since no one is actually able to dispute the previously presented facts, let me add one more, i.e. his “close” association with Tony Rezko. One does not get that close to a crook like Rezko…unless, that one is also a crook.
Um, kc? You didn't present any facts. You made claims, with absolutely zero evidence to support them. That's generally referred to as "bullshitting."
See, it works like this. If I were to say, "KarmiCommunist is the bastard child of a Gypsie sooth-sayer and Bigfoot," one would be right to require some proof of this assertion before it is accepted as fact. If we play by your rules, I've just "proven" that you're a Gypsie/sasquatch bastard child. See how the Burden of Proof works?
Geez, what is it with your trolls, Biobrain? Why I gotta keep explaining basic logic to them? I demand a better class of troll!
karmicommunist, you need to do a few things.
One, update your list of enemies of the state. Communists haven't been anything like a global, monolithic threat since, well, your salad days of Saint Ronnie of the Ray-Gun. Have you been sequestered in a bomb shelter since the Andropov regime?
Two, you gotta get better accusations than "Does he lean towards Islam? Of course he does." What does it mean to actually "lean toward Islam"? I had chicken shawarma for dinner last night, and grape leaves & falafel for lunch today, so when it comes to dining options I suppose I do have a lean towards things Middle Eastern. Besides, as opposed to what? A lean "away" from Islam? You mean, like, north?
Three, simply stating that Obama is "clearly" a supporter of anti-American causes doesn't make it true. Which causes? Says who? See my comment from earlier - sources & citations other than your fevered imagination are really required to establish the credence of your attempts at guilt by association.
Four, Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan... are... what to Obama? One was his pastor and is an educated and erudite man who can argue theological circles around his enemies in the GOP-friendly "Word of Life" prosperity circus (where we find Hagee & Parsley) and, if you don't recall, Farrakhan was "rejected and denounced" by Obama some while ago - so what again is your point about them?
Five, everyone "close" to Tony Rezko is a crook? Really? Even a world-class thug like John Gotti still had some honest folks in his life. You must lead a really narrow existence if no-one you know or met or are related-to has ever been a different religion from you, or done something of questionable legality, or had an opposing political belief.
Must come from living in a bomb shelter (alone) since the Andropov regime.
John - For as much as I've heard people ask for a better class of trolls, I have yet to see those trolls. They all seem like the same bottom-feeders to me.
As for Karmi, I don't see why anyone bothers. The more he spouts that stuff, the better Obama looks. I'm just waiting for him to suggest that Charles Manson was a close advisor of Obama because he likes the song Helter Skelter, or that his affinity for spaghetti shows he's aligned with Old Europe. Honestly, the worst anyone could do would be to associate Obama with Bush, but McCain's already stuck trying to figure out what to do with that albatross.
Trust me, laughter is the best medicine for these wackos. They don't care if any of this stuff is true. They just want to be taken seriously. And I see no reason why we should do that. If they want to warn everyone that the Islamocommies are coming, I say more power to them. People are fed-up with this bullshit and they'll just flock faster to our side.
If you’re interested in the issue of Obama, Islam and whether he might be a Muslim apostate, you might want to check out “Muslim scholar responds to ‘Sharia smear’ against Obama” -- http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/05/30/muslim-scholar-responds-to-sharia-smear-against-obama/ -- on the Reuters FaithWorld blog.
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