tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post5860039890652949101..comments2024-03-04T04:09:01.839-06:00Comments on And Doctor Biobrain's Response Is...: Invasion of the Paul PeopleDoctor Biobrainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01641661532899934766noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-46853232075033286752007-11-12T20:05:00.000-06:002007-11-12T20:05:00.000-06:00It's astounding and frankly creepy how quickly Pau...It's astounding and frankly creepy how quickly Paulites seem to come out of nowhere to lambaste anyone who speaks ill of him. Reddit's been destroyed by a constant barrage of duplicate Paul articles, and they seem to make a point of swamping online polls for... some reason. It's starting to raise my Ralph Nader Annoyance Alarm.<BR/><BR/>Stranger still is that I haven't actually met any Paul supporters in real life, despite the fact that they seem to make up half the internet.<BR/><BR/>With all due respect to Rob, are you sure that there's not some hacker running a botnet from his basement somewhere hyping up Paul? :)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I'd be a lot more supportive of the guy if his supporters weren't so quick to label anyone who even tries to discuss his policies as a lunatic or a shill. I mean, I think some of Gravel's policies are nuts, but I respect the guy and I think that his positions are legitimate and reasoned out, even if I disagree with some of them. Likewise with Paul. (Giuliani is a bonafide nutcase, but his supporters don't seem to know who he is except "the 9/11 mayor," so I'm not sure he counts.)<BR/><BR/>The Paul supporters remind me more of Nader supporters than anyone else (and I don't mean Green Party supporters, I mean Nader supporters), which is weird. I'd always thought that Nader supporters were crazy assholes because Nader is a crazy asshole. Paul seems like a good guy who'll rationally defend his policies (even if I disagree with him) rather than pulling the Nader move of "everyone's out to get me!" and walking out of the room in a huff. I'm OK with that. I don't think I've ever seen such a huge disconnect between a candidate and his supporters.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, if y'all would just calm down a bit, I'd be wishing you luck, if for no other reason than because I think Paul is in a good position to expose some of the problems with the GOP. That's fine. But why all the hate? Dr. Biobrain is a nice guy and you're certainly not convincing anybody by insulting them, which is mostly what I see Paul supporters do. And I don't think it reflects well on Dr. Paul. Is that really what you want?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-77136386897350402572007-11-06T10:29:00.000-06:002007-11-06T10:29:00.000-06:00BTW Anonymous #1, the Social Security Trust Fund i...BTW Anonymous #1, the Social Security Trust Fund is technically not being "looted". Rather, the government is borrowing money from it that it will need to repay. Whether or not it ever is repaid is the issue, but seeing as how all the other creditors loaning money to the government expect to be repaid, I see no reason why Social Security shouldn't be too.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, why do you guys continue to cherrypick a few of Paul's issues that agree with us? I don't care if he agrees with me on a few issues. He disagrees on most of the big issues, and I already have people I'd rather vote for; namely every top tier Dem candidate, including Hillary (though I won't be so happy about that one). Face it, it's hopeless. You've lost the majority of conservatives and the liberals don't want you. You're fighting for a lost cause.Doctor Biobrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641661532899934766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-73466095792924783572007-11-06T08:31:00.000-06:002007-11-06T08:31:00.000-06:00Wow, I am impressed with y'all's ability to get ou...Wow, I am impressed with y'all's ability to get out the comments. I posted that at two in the morning and already see six comments by the time I got my coffee the next morning. That's the sort of invasion tactics that got me to write this post.<BR/><BR/>All the same, you people are quite clearly loony. You really think that Giuliani's going to give cabinet positions to woo a candidate's voters who barely made a blip in the primaries? Dean got stomped in the primaries and <I>still</I> had far more support than you guys will be able to muster. Sure, there's still a lot of time between now and the primaries, but I made a fairly convincing argument suggesting that it won't get any better.<BR/><BR/>Even crazier is your idea that any of you could support Giuliani. That guy is crazy. He's the guy who will make Bush & Cheney look reasonable. Give up on the neo-cons? He's entirely embraced the neo-cons. As I've argued in the past, the top three GOP candidates are being marketed as the three strains of Bush's political appeal: Romney is Mr. Republican, Thompson represents the Downhome Southerner, and Giuliani is the Nutso Neo-Con. The fact that any of you would ever support him tells me everything I need to know about your sham movement. If you support freedom and liberty, you really would be better off supporting the Dem than Rudy.<BR/><BR/>Besides, I still think Romney's going to win the primary. But in any case, if anyone has anything decent to say, say it. For instance, explaining why you think liberals would ever support a pro-life, pro-gun, small government guy like Paul. Or how you can possibly go higher than 5% in the primaries when you've already alienated your fellow conservatives. But if you're just going to insult me, you needn't bother, as you're only reinforcing what I wrote.<BR/><BR/>And overall, you might not like my analysis, but it's solid. You guys aren't on the vanguard of a growing movement. You're just a small group of like-minded people who happened to find each other thanks to the Internet. While that does give you more power than before, it's not enough to sway an election.Doctor Biobrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01641661532899934766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-40757851574294657952007-11-06T03:40:00.000-06:002007-11-06T03:40:00.000-06:00Blogger failed to take the previous comment I made...Blogger failed to take the previous comment I made which said that Dean's people were more than ready to adapt to Kerry after the primaries, because they were mostly just kids who wanted grownups to publicly say "I am anti-war" at a time when that was not expedient. A few holdout Deaniacs did force Kerry to say "I am against the war" before they finally agree to vote for him in the general elections.<BR/><BR/>That was a success of the Dean movement: remnants of a former candidate forced the main candidate to make a major concession just before the general elections.<BR/><BR/>Ron Paul's people, who are more military and businesspeople than students, will probably be harsher in forcing their leverage on what Giuliani says and promises for the general election.<BR/><BR/>After Giuliani wins the primaries, the 10% of Paulites who opposed him, will demand campaign and cabinet positions in order to support Giuliani in the general elections. We could demand that certain anti-rights Bushies be fired from the Giuliani campaign, etc.<BR/><BR/>The Ron Paul Revolution will demand a seat at the Giuliani table, or we will vote for Paul as a 3rd party candidate and let Hillary take the White House so we can then completely take over the Republican Party in December 2008.<BR/><BR/>I would rather give the Democrats complete control for 4 years than allow the Republicans to continue like they are goingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-50366387404788202002007-11-06T03:31:00.000-06:002007-11-06T03:31:00.000-06:00And another thing:Most of us Paulites would easily...And another thing:<BR/><BR/>Most of us Paulites would easily abandon the calls for a gold standard and ending the Fed and IRS in order to vote for the Republican nominee who gets chosen next summer.<BR/><BR/>But NOT if that nominee is against individual rights and libertarianism.<BR/><BR/>We know the nominee will be Giuliani. The ball is in his court to woo the Paul people. He is going to have to distance himself from neocons who believe, for instance, in regulating the Internet and he is going to have to promise to clean house of all the loyal Bushies in government.<BR/><BR/>Right now, too many of us believe that Giuliani has assured the Bushies that they can keep their jobs in his administration.<BR/><BR/>We will judge him by how arrogant he is or is not to us after he takes so much in the 2/5 primaries.<BR/><BR/>Keep in mind that Rudy's opinion on the Iraq War is not an issue for lots of us because so many of us agree with Giuliani on the war and still support Paul for the libertarianism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-77940947672774754202007-11-06T02:24:00.000-06:002007-11-06T02:24:00.000-06:00nice to see you have absolutely no idea what your ...nice to see you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Don't quit your day job. I hope your accounting isn't as shitty as your blogging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-72804840842604101162007-11-06T02:20:00.000-06:002007-11-06T02:20:00.000-06:00Interesting analysis, and you may very well have s...Interesting analysis, and you may very well have something here. Still, why does the phrase "whistling past the graveyard" come to mind?<BR/><BR/>I think, in the end, Dr. Paul will prove to have more lasting impact than Howard Dean ever could have had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-86288083747682603512007-11-06T02:17:00.000-06:002007-11-06T02:17:00.000-06:00nice reverse psycho-babble.nice reverse psycho-babble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7494384.post-6880776189170866742007-11-06T02:15:00.000-06:002007-11-06T02:15:00.000-06:00Thanks for a well thought out piece of writing tha...Thanks for a well thought out piece of writing that keep intellectually lazy name calling to a minimum.<BR/><BR/>There are alot of rough around the edges types and anarchist kids that support Dr. Paul, but his support is not niche or confined to these demographics. <BR/><BR/>As a historian, I think we are witnessing a new rise of the long dormant Antifederalist strain which has always been present as a populist force in American politics since the time of our founding (and even before).<BR/><BR/>It seems like many people are dismissive of Dr. Paul either because they are too cynical or because they have not fully researched his positions. He policies are not radical within the context of the situation we find ourselves in currently. <BR/><BR/>Any progressive would support the lower and middle class. What many of Paul's supporters are trying to elaborate, is the instability of markets and the rapid inflation of the dollar. Price inflation and excessive indebtedness with insufficient reserves has weakened our nation and put in jeopardy our ability to service our national debt and make entitlement payments. Did you know Dr. Paul is one of the only congressmen to vote against looting the Social Security fund? He's trying to save the "butter" by rolling back the "guns", which would interestingly make the world more stable and the US more secure.<BR/><BR/>With all respect, thanks for hosting and considering my humble commentary. I'm just an old army vet who wants to make this a place worth defending... that's all.<BR/><BR/>-- Rob from GoldenAgeOfReason.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com